tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post8237421467106965256..comments2024-03-28T00:59:01.483-07:00Comments on India's housing bubble: Learning From the West/ Why does India suck ??Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-24766779143161092772012-12-07T02:06:43.881-08:002012-12-07T02:06:43.881-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.rajnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06444939579267581761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-9499915870109654652010-12-18T23:34:26.625-08:002010-12-18T23:34:26.625-08:00Apart from corruption, Indian people have very hig...Apart from corruption, Indian people have very high level of regional bias. In Western countries everyone is treated & respected equally irrespective of cast, race & gender which is not really true in India. People would give you alien look the moment they realize that you are not localite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-71261394843273018562010-01-07T12:47:25.831-08:002010-01-07T12:47:25.831-08:00Why do Indians clean inside their home and throw t...Why do Indians clean inside their home and throw the garbage around their home?. If everyone learn the answer for this then India will be clean inside and out.<br /><br />btw., The best job indians want to do is "giving advice".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-78638569693756795062010-01-06T00:06:07.956-08:002010-01-06T00:06:07.956-08:00I agree on all the points. I believe that the firs...I agree on all the points. I believe that the first step towards any change is to accept our faults. I live in the west, apart from many bad things in the society; people here have a civic sense that we lack completely. Even who come here and work, are not able to pick up on these qualities mainly because we do not recognize them. We are selfish to the n’th degree. We talk the talk cannot walk the walk. We all are hypocrites we need to change that. Above all we should start seeing things in perspective and not get offended for everything. So I would suggest let us accept who we are and try to change for the better as a society. Better late than never.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-54923600262377465122010-01-05T17:53:51.214-08:002010-01-05T17:53:51.214-08:00Very annoyed that Narayan Murty found it necessary...Very annoyed that Narayan Murty found it necessary to quote a non-Indian in each point. There is no need to quote anyone else when you are speaking the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-43446878211069028272010-01-02T20:45:06.588-08:002010-01-02T20:45:06.588-08:00Kudos to Venkat and sir Naryaran Murthy. We need...Kudos to Venkat and sir Naryaran Murthy. We need more people like you for progress of India. I am very disappointed from comments by some other fellow posters. I understand, there is shortage of toilets which force people to piss on walls etc., but as a society who is to blame? its we have to blame because the person who piss on the wall due to shortage of toilets in city never visit municipal office in the city and submit his written complain about shortage of toilets. I bet, if only 10,000 people go and submit their written complains about shortage of toilets in city and meet officials and mayor it will bring lot of change. I mean, for how long people should be allowed to piss on walls provided there is shortage of toilets? there has to be end some where for all this insanity, which exactly what Sir Naryan Murthy is trying to say, which some of the posters fail to understand. <br /><br />Just my Rs.1 comments.<br />JayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-72596268373146028392009-12-28T14:53:27.213-08:002009-12-28T14:53:27.213-08:00Why do Indians clean inside their home and throw t...Why do Indians clean inside their home and throw the garbage around their home?. If everyone learn the answer for this then India will be clean inside and out.<br /><br />btw., The best job indians want to do is "giving advice".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-73864547072363726582009-12-27T09:47:43.807-08:002009-12-27T09:47:43.807-08:00What the hell this post supposed to do with your ...What the hell this post supposed to do with your imaganry housing price fall?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-44346538127199032262009-12-26T19:42:49.726-08:002009-12-26T19:42:49.726-08:00I meant - His shortcomings (real or imaginary) do ...I meant - His shortcomings (real or imaginary) do NOT reduce the relevancy of his comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-48038537735546312312009-12-26T19:41:32.528-08:002009-12-26T19:41:32.528-08:00Kudos to Venkat for an excellent note. We really n...Kudos to Venkat for an excellent note. We really need to wake up and look around ourselves. Get rid of false pride and look at things as they are. It makes me laugh whenever someone lifts the Spirituality flag whenever India's shortcomings are discussed. The interesting thing about spirituality is that is is so subjective to measure to even say we are somehow ahead in any shape or form, Besides infrastructure, India is really behind in many core values that we profess to be dear to us. Also, irrespective of how we view NRN , there is no point in killing the messenger if the message makes sense. I care as much about NRN as any other business tycoon, but the messenger need not be perfect to deliver the message. His shortcomings (real or imaginary) reduce the relevancy of his comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-43407456383171398502009-12-26T10:13:39.669-08:002009-12-26T10:13:39.669-08:00@anon 7.24
Couldnt agree more. Being poor is not ...@anon 7.24<br /><br />Couldnt agree more. Being poor is not good for spitituality or civilization. Those are indulgences of the rich! Once people get rich, they will get better. Getting rich is the priority.<br /><br />Wohi tho nahi karne deta politician (basically Congress).<br /><br />Unfortunately, instead of us getting rich, the Americans are getting poor!<br /><br />Maybe they will start acquiring Indian ways!<br /><br />See, the Aryans, Scythians, Parthians, Muslims and all the rest - they became Indian after coming into contact with us.<br /><br />Now the whites will also become like Indians soon :-)Venkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480442651035336961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-81276394499330704732009-12-26T07:29:21.104-08:002009-12-26T07:29:21.104-08:00I think a lot of Indians live in false ego. They t...I think a lot of Indians live in false ego. They think a lot about themselves and are proudy bastards. Like one of the film stars who was held at NJ airport, his ego was shattered when he was questioned for a few hours. Why he can't think like a normal person that is is just an ordinary person for all immigration officials. He wants to be respected and admired by all.<br /><br />Similarly, I've seen a lot of IAS folks in the US in the last 4-5 years whose ego has been shattered by living in the US. They realize human values only after living in US. Indians who have never visited US have very high egos and can't think rationally. India is an ignorant community with very less values for their own fellow Indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-18254155813069552822009-12-26T07:22:19.733-08:002009-12-26T07:22:19.733-08:00Venkat,
You are funny and somewhat true in what y...Venkat,<br />You are funny and somewhat true in what you say. People go to toilets on streets not because of lack of civic sense, but because they don't have toilets at home. It is poverty and overpopulation that is the cause. <br /><br />Indians are very money minded and power hungry because they have never seen too much money or power. They still want it because they never had it. It is like the first generation of Indians in US work hard to get more and more money and their second generation doesn't care that much for it as they had seen so much while growing up. <br /><br />Similarly, once Indians have seen wealth, greed would go away especially when everyone is wealthy and happy. <br /><br />Culturally, in all societies either US or India or anywhere in the world, people try to do well and they showoff their riches among family. It is very common and natural. India goes a step further to have very lavish marriages even if people can't afford to show their family/friends how good they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-24546388551403599422009-12-26T06:18:07.571-08:002009-12-26T06:18:07.571-08:00I agree with most of Narayana Murthy's points....I agree with most of Narayana Murthy's points. He has been, in fact, polite and included much which is flattering to Indians, which is not true.<br /><br />For example, our average life span of 65 years means we dont have any old people to care for. Looking after old is meaningless. In West, a lot of people live upto 90. If they are in old age homes, it is because they are well looked after there, not because their children dont care.<br /><br />Also, much of our so called family values include dowry deaths, female infanticide, selling girls due to poverty (why have children you cannot bring up?), telling lies for getting your child admitted in school, college, jobs. Also, systematic rapes in the country side, especially caste based and by soldiers sent to be peace keepers.<br /><br />We are an unclean race. We spit everywhere, piss everywhere, shit everywhere. On a recent visit to Himachal, I would keep seeing beautiful streams and rivers. The moment I went near, there will be susu-potty all over. We have desecrated our natural heritage. We are a tatti-pisab ka desh.<br /><br />Spirituality? Indians are the most un-spiritual and most materialistic race I have ever seen. We are so spiritually poor that we profess to be spiritual without realising that we are only making ourselves the object of ridicule by claiming to be what we are completely ignorant about.<br /><br />Having a few ancient spiritual scriptures doesnt make us spiritual - Indians are too ignorant to realise that.<br /><br />Similarly, we dont realise that we are uncivilized. Having a 5000 year old civilization does not mean that we are considered civilized today. We are dirty, loud, boorish, insensitive and do not have any law and order, with widespread corruption, violence, dacoity, rapes, looting etc - all the characteristics of uncivilized people. <br /><br />India is an uncivilized land, where people are so uncivilized they dont realize what their status is.<br /><br />Good things in India? Close to nothing. <br /><br />Except that we feel better congregating with our equals rather than our betters. So we keep saying Bhrat is Mahan.<br /><br />The way out? Learn from the west, as Murthy suggests. And stop denial of our faults. Accepting a fault is the only way to correct it.<br /><br />What about bad things in West? I see quite a few. Top of the list is telling lies to and cheating on their wives/husbands and girl/boy friends. It is unfortunate that we are learning this from them. Strange that they dont practice cheating and corruption on a large scale in public life, but practice cheating and corruption on a large scale when it comes to relationships. Cant understand this.<br /><br />Other faults? Organised crime. Severe violence against women (date rapes).High level corporate greed and systematised corruption at the highest level. <br /><br />I am happy that techies are going abroad, seeing how civilized people live and bringing their superior culture back to India. We owe this to Narayanamurthy's body shops with H1B armies (who are well known for writing the buggiest software of all and are given the meanest and menialest tasks in software, which no self respecting software specialist from abroad will touch. Even in techie land, we are the cyber coolies).<br /><br />I also agree with Murthy's reason - we have attained slave mentality after 3000 years of slave rule (first Aryans, then Greeks, then Parthians, then Kushans, then Scythians, then Muslim Afghans in various waves of invasion and then British.<br /><br />We have much to learn and progress. Right now we are around the development stage of 1900 AD in USA, 1870 in England. Another 100-150 years are needed to equal the rest of the world.<br /><br />Venkat NDVenkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480442651035336961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-92165553322618144132009-12-26T05:30:07.187-08:002009-12-26T05:30:07.187-08:00Dear Anon@10:41
It's very disappointing that ...Dear Anon@10:41<br /><br />It's very disappointing that you should be so judgmental and ambiguous..I hope this is not an indication of the type of person you are or the kind of comments you usually make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-33627612563868628552009-12-26T04:00:16.299-08:002009-12-26T04:00:16.299-08:00Therefore, I have seen these values practiced prim...<i> Therefore, I have seen these values practiced primarily in the West and not in India. </i><br /><br /><i> This is because of the individual's responsible behavior towards the community as a whole On the contrary, in India, corruption, tax evasion, cheating and bribery have eaten into our vitals. </i><br /><br />I request him to spend 2/3 hrs and watch the below two video clips free of cost to know western values / how the middle class of the West (USA) has been robbed off from their hard work and wealth legally.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A" rel="nofollow">The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class 57 Minutes </a><br /> <br /><br /><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/" rel="nofollow">Warning of the potential for economic meltdown in the late 1990s </a><br /><br /><br />It’s not only the working middle class but also the pensioners, the child yet to be born (the debt to be paid back for future and unfunded obligations) have been looted in the financial chicanery. The people are in the survival mode struggling with various types of loans and financial obligations i.e. home mortgages, medical bills, tuition and college fees, car/health insurance etc. Now the people are slowly waking up to this intelligently orchestrated fraud over the years.<br /><br />Of course he will not enlighten the audience about these legalized western virtues. Under every pretext just beat the India. Take the case of corruption e.g. traffic policeman taking bribe....Go and ask him for how long does he stand in the heat, dust, pollution while risking his life? What is his monthly salary ? Can he afford providing good education to his kids? Why are the policemen dying due to stress (heart attack/cardiac arrest) while performing long hour duties e.g. during bandobast for mantri, immersion procession and what is the monthly pension? <b> Has his parents or teachers preached him about the virtues of the corruption?</b><br /><br />In no way I am justifying the corruption but fist we have to dig out the reasons as to why we make a system which forces the honest individuals to shun the long treasured values. It is very easy to start shouting about lowering of standards in the society. <br /><br /><br /><i> Another interesting attribute, which we Indians can learn from the West, is<br />their accountability </i> <br /><br />First check, are you accountable to your own employees? You have allowed the major banks and housing finance companies to set up the shops in your campuses. Also the free hand is given to these cheaters to intrude the mailbox of your employees with thousands of teaser offers. Please check the average debt each employee is carrying in his tender age. Your employee is not financially literate because he is toiling 9hrs a day believing in a phony wealth. Isn’t it the responsibility of your Chief Financial Office to build a system which educates and cautions the resources ( human beings) about the financial risk they are taking. Instead of that you are feeding the suckers to the unholy nexus of bankers and real estate developers. The life of a common person has become hell.<br /><br />………….this goes on<br /><br />Please put the things in the proper context and then embark on the journey of so called preaching. Clean up your own house first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-26140754897673394862009-12-25T22:41:31.898-08:002009-12-25T22:41:31.898-08:00As an Indian, the replies so far on this thread ar...As an Indian, the replies so far on this thread are very disappointing. I hope it is not a reflection of both the current thinking in India and/or the kind of folks who visit this forum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-8989705993125528662009-12-25T18:54:55.537-08:002009-12-25T18:54:55.537-08:00NRN please answer why BIAL is not on par with othe...NRN please answer why BIAL is not on par with other international airports? What exactly happened with the project, please enlighten the public.Venkatesh Babu K Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593327144762902106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-30619392786505308012009-12-25T16:54:05.655-08:002009-12-25T16:54:05.655-08:00I think Narayan Murthy needed to balance his viewp...I think Narayan Murthy needed to balance his viewpoint. If he is pointing out the fallacies and follies of Indians, then -<br />1> Point out the good things in India too..or is India good for nothing?<br /><br />2> Point out the bad things in the west too..or is the west perfect and there is nothing wrong with the westerners.<br /><br />3> Lastly, balance it out. Tell us that the west is good for scientific research but maybe India still is good for spiritual research..<br /><br />Because, unless you balance it out and if you are so negative about India and things Indian, why is Murthy staying in India. He is welcome to shift lock, stock and barrel to the US...<br /><br />After all he left Infosys and that has made no difference to Infosys, as far as all of us can see...<br /><br />One more question for Vik - what does Murthy have to do with the "Indian Housing Bubble" ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-48750279650396803102009-12-25T13:43:44.942-08:002009-12-25T13:43:44.942-08:001:41 PM Comment is for Narayan Murty.1:41 PM Comment is for Narayan Murty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-85167333378631086362009-12-25T13:41:55.215-08:002009-12-25T13:41:55.215-08:00Just because you made so much money from west busi...Just because you made so much money from west businesses, doesn't means west is the best. Success & money doesn't means you can start giving sermons to every body. Let me tell what the hell you did to improve this thing in India? You set up a body shop who is exploiting millions of Indian under the banner of Infosys & what you offered peanuts? Where was the transparency? Have you ever told that how much you are charging to client to each resource & how much profit you are swindling. Yeah, you are also Indian so how you will differ. <br /><br />After getting kicked out from Infosys you can do this kind of activities only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-25296503793125839802009-12-25T12:32:21.661-08:002009-12-25T12:32:21.661-08:00Indians have a mindset to make things double tripl...Indians have a mindset to make things double triple and what not in very short time. He chose all available means to achieve that. What irony is he does not think others are also thinking just like him. For the same reason he thinks he is a super smart investor as soon as some minister anounces some scheme like new Airtport , metro rail projects, highways.. etc. Problem is our mind set, not the corruption. California is most expensive place in USA today why? obviously people form the settled old trading commercial places like NYC, Dallas, Chicago, Boston, Memphis moved there to start new colonies. We do not leave our towns and ready to pay whatever builder is demanding. Builders are not at fault it is us to be blamed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-78827372271095832802009-12-25T09:09:47.447-08:002009-12-25T09:09:47.447-08:00Above some replies are nothing but the same thing....Above some replies are nothing but the same thing...hesitation to accept the reality through comparison and pointing...<br />It may be there but I have stayed in US for some time..the public infrastructure, other govt departments like driving license, traffic policing, issuing license to shops and its necessary requirements, shopping areas, free ways, ring roads to name a few are much better and will take yrs to see here in India. Why are you looking at dot in a white board. can't u see the white board? yeah..<i>phir bhi MERA Bharat mahan and meri sanskriti mahaan</i>. out of those so called cultural rich customs are age old many of them have nothing to do with current time and we don't have courage or guts to change and hence we keep telling the same thingsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-31756157480553042752009-12-25T08:24:38.865-08:002009-12-25T08:24:38.865-08:00Corruption in US is high as higher levels. Like lo...Corruption in US is high as higher levels. Like lobbying is nothing but corruption to change laws for interest groups.<br /><br />In India, the mindset of people at all levels is about show off. Indians have very strong ego and think very highly of themselves without even knowing the reality and where they really stand as per world standards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19740856.post-13380669021793469802009-12-25T08:08:17.958-08:002009-12-25T08:08:17.958-08:00""Society is
relatively corruption free ...""Society is<br />relatively corruption free in the West""<br /><br />This is news to me..while corruption may not be endemic like india, it exists in verious forms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com